RSSRule By The Most Offended Comes To Crivitz Wisconsin
J.J. Jackson | July 11, 2009
I am personally sick and tired of the “offended” running our lives as the government using these same “offended” people as an excuse to run our lives. I cite as my latest example the small village of Crivitz, Wisconsin where local authorities trespassed on and confiscated the private property of an American citizen, one Vito Congine Jr.’s, and Iraq War Veteran. His offense? Daring to fly the American flag upside down just before a 4th of July parade.
Hours before a Fourth of July parade, four police officers went to Congine’s property and removed the flag under the advice of Marinette County District Attorney Allen Brey.
Neighbor Steven Klein watched in disbelief.
“I said, ‘What are you doing?’ Klein said. “They said, ‘It is none of your business.’”
The next day, police returned the flag.
Important things to note here. First, there is no law against flying the flag upside down. In fact flying the flag upside down is seen as a legitimate signal of distress! Of course most Americans do not understand this. They believe silly things like flying the flag upside down is “disrespectful” and other such notions they have either concocted themselves or been told by other ignorant people.
His distress is that he has spent a lot of money refurbishing a downtown Italian Super Club but has been denied a liquor permit and may not be able to operate the restaurant profitably thus costing him all his hard earned money and the local village lots of tax revenue.
The flag was returned to him the next day, not doubt after the village realized that it had overstepped its bounds, but made its point that the “offended” are not to be trifled with.
Village President John Deschane, 60, an Army veteran who served in Vietnam, said many people in town believe it’s disrespectful to fly the flag upside down.
“If he wants to protest, let him protest but find a different way to do it,” Deschane said.
Oh, that’s real mature Mr. “Village” President. No law was broken by this citizen but laws regarding private property and illegal search and seizure certainly were by your police department and you tell him to do things differently?
To the ACLU’s credit they are “considering” filing a 1st Amendment lawsuit on behalf of Mr. Congine proving once again that a blind squirrel can find a nut every now and again. Or in this case, that a goofy organization that has spent more time than not tearing apart the Constitution can actually support it too. But hey, even Mussolini made the trains run on time and Hitler built a the Autobahn too even if it was with slave labor.
So people being offended by something is a cause for action and that something to be removed eh Mr. Deschane. Well I and no doubt many others are offended by the actions of your police force and you inaction at taking action about it. So by your own standards maybe you and the officers that violated the private property rights of this citizen should be removed just like his flag was removed. Even if it is only for a single day, Crivitz would be much better off!
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I can not believe that our Constitution has just been torn up and used to wipe these officials’ @$$es. I do not remember ANYWHERE in the constitution were it says, “Do not offend anyone.” It is impossible. They said that the man who flew his flag upside down was causing a disruption. I say it was all the people who don’t care if they have any freedoms that were causing a disruption. It kills me that we just keep walking all over our freedoms and rights. They are taking them all away and all of these people just follow like sheep and say “Baaaa.” It is so sad to see the country lay down and take this. The only solution for all of our MANY problems is to REVOLT. We need to take up arms like the constitution says to do and over-throw a “too big for it’s own breeches” government. I am personally going to start calling this guy up at his job to tell him what I think of his small town government. I am sure it will not open his eyes any but maybe he will think twice before wiping his @$$ with the Constitution.
BTW I love the disclaimer!!
Free speech except when I don’t like it… seems to be the way this country operates… they hypocrisy is so bad that America is in total denial, but not the rest of the world. We condemn the Afghans for forcing(?) women to cover themselves (most choose to for cultural reasons) yet we say NOTHING to the Saudi’s who not only FORCE women to cover themselves, but the only country that women CAN’T VOTE, women also can’t drive (how stupid is that) and women can’t travel without husbands permission… so DON’T tell me about how horrible women have it in other countries when we IGNORE the country that gave us the 9/11 hijackers (Saudi Arabia)..
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Mr. Congine is right. This IS a country in distress. His cause might not be the most noble, but he is entirely withing his rights to do what he did.
Too many self-righteous people think that only THEY know the right way to be. If they really are righteous people, they should know not to be so judgemental of others. They should realize that they might actually behave in the exact same manner if they were in that other person’s situation. That’s my $0.02 worth.
Here is the Village President’s home phone #….we all should call him and email him letting him know he and the county are a bunch of morons!
John J Deschane
home
936 Robert St
Crivitz, WI 54114-1404
(715) 854-7403
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First, let me say that I am a die hard tea party patriot who will be marching on Washington on 9-12-09 to get the criminals out of our house asap. Having said that, this is one time I do not agree with you.
Our flag is sacred, and it is about the one thing we have left that is in this country. To use it to make a political statement cheapen’s it, similar to the way people used to burn it to make a statement.
It obviously did not bother that veteran to use it so cheaply, but many men and women died protecting that flag, and those that came home without their friends have a respect for the flag that most of us will never realize. Flying the flag upside down was meant to signify a time of distress and need for help in times of war and or conflict, NOT to make a political statement.
To do that spits in the eyes of any and all who defend her freedom today. If some statement I made offened any of our military men and women, even just one, I would gladly fix the situation. We owe them so much more and disrespecting them should never be allowed.
Fly the Gadsen flag (Don’t tread on me),attend a protest, work to get the socialists out of office, if you want to make a statement, but do not cheaply whore out our last pure symbol for some stupid statement.
One last thing.
Dragging out a free speech argument to defend the misuse of our flag cheapens the concept of free speech. With freedom of speech comes resposibility, and if we cannot show respect for that responsibility, it makes us no better than the liberals.
Some things to remember…
With free speech comes the responsibility to accept the consequences of that speech.
Freedom of Speech is like the right to bear arms: Abuse the right and pay the price.
So, let me summarize that rant. You support fascism and the violation of rights when you are offended. I just want everyone to be clear on that.
Do not pretend to speak for vets like myself as to what does or does not offend us please because it is very shameful to try and make a point that is utter nonsense.
Flying the flag upside down is not, by any stretch of the imagination in the same category as “the way people used to burn it to make a statement” Jules and as a veteran like OOHRAHMAN who has bled for this country I am also offended deeply that you would even try to make that case in order to protect your lack of knowledge about our flag. Burning the flag is desicration. Flying the flag upside down is not desicration.
Mr. Congine’s use of the flag in this way was completely legitimate and it was the mayor of the town, as a veteran, that spit on us by using his thugs to act in this manner not Mr. Congine.
I am with you Oohrahman and as to you jules, I must wholehearedly agree with him. I took a bullet in Nam and had three men die to rescue me from that commie infested hell hole. I will stand with Mr. Congine Jr. in his actions!
I have been flying my flag upside down since TARP was passed and you if think that by doing so I am spitting on our brave soldiers then I say you are part of the problem and not the solution! Support for this sort of tryranical invasion of rights is not what I took a bullet for!
I don’t care if you idiotically believe that he should not have been flying the flag upside down or not! The fact is he can and did and such is actually protected. The fact is that the government of this small shithole of a town acted completely incorrectly and should be drug out into the streets and put into shackles and paraded through the streets for a direct violation of his property rights.
Anyone who thinks that this vet was in the wrong and would attack him as a previous commenter did is just an idiot and not
worth my time. As for my credentials I served in the First Gulf War so I think I have earned the right to tell you that.
-Red Ranger
I too will stand with this vet against his invasion of property by a government that thinks it can just do whatever it wants. I too served so I think that I can speak as to what I would and would not considered equivalent to spitting on me. I have been flying my flag proudly upside down since Obama was elected. If some people want to try and make the case that I am spitting on myself for doing so then bring it on!
God Bless you Mr. Congine!
Both my sons have served in Iraq and Afgahistan. Last year when Obama was elected both called me and told me to fly the flag outside my home upside down. When I asked them that wasn’t that unkind to do both told me that it was perfectly legit and said if anyone gave me guff just to tell them that my sons who proudly serve told me to do it to properly denote the distress our nation is in.
So political jules my response to you is just try and claim that I am spitting on our soldiers. Go ahead. I dare ya! COME ON! I SAID I DARE YA!
I can’t add much more other that to say that the police of Crivitz are a bunch of assholes and those involved in this incident should all be fired.
I don’t want to hear any defense of them or bad mouthing of this patriot doing something that many have done before and which there is nothing wrong with. Flying the flag upside down for distress like this is not like burning it or flying upside because you are an idiot and thought Bush was Hitler or some stupid thing.
I am going to fly my flag upside in solidarity with this man. As a fellow vet this soert of crap by this town is highly unaaceptable.
I am a proud vet. I don’t fly my flag upside down. I can see though why some would. I think this man has a real reason to based on the article and the way the town has treated him as he attempts to make both himself and them some money.
I do know this however. If this had been my property and those cops has touched my flag and tresspassed and confiscated my private propety there would have been some dead cops laying at the base of the flag pole.
Those police officers need to first be fired and then second brought up on charges for violating the constitutional rights of the property owner.
The “president” of that little podunk town should be run out on a rail. He is a disgrace to all us vets. I didn’t wade through rice patties to allow this sort of fascism to come to America!
My dad who passed away last year flew his flag upside down starting in 2002. Who knew he was spitting on himself since he was a vet?
What a dumbass comment for someone to make.
Mr. Jackson thank you for bringing this horrendous act to light! As a vet myself I just want to say that I am appalled at what is going on in this country where police can act like this with impunity!
I have decided to fly my own flag upside down, and I guess spit on myself too, just to tick of jules!
Wow, the meanness and hate directed at me have literally punched me in the chest this morning. I am more than horrified at the personal attacks against me simply because I do not agree. Let me summarize, you called me a fascist, and idiot and a dumb ass. My point was dismissed as a rant, and a rebuttal was made “just to tick off jules!” Most comments toward my personal views were vicious, and hateful.
Someone made reference that I was someone who called Bush hitler?? Not sure where that comes from because I tried to point out that I am a staunch conservative with family values that the left so often attacks in this country. I respect President Bush, and voted for him both times. I voted for Palin (not McCain), and will continue to support her endeavors. I have a child with Down’s syndrome and fight for the rights of the disabled on a local and national level. For a group that claims that we should be tolerant of everyone’s right to their own opinion, you are not very tolerant of mine, and make some strange and hateful assumptions about me.
Since you seem to imply that I have no affiliation for veterans of our military, let me assure you that I honestly do. My husband served proudly in the Navy aboard the USS Coral Sea CV–43 and he was part of VA-65, the World Famous Flying Tigers, as was his father before him. More often than not, his homecoming to the states was met with angry protesters and people that actually DID spit at him.
My own grandfather was retired military, an eagle scout before that, and has since passed. My uncle was a pilot in the air force and now flies for American Airlines. Another uncle since passed was a veteran of the Korean war, and he deteriorated into self hate and alcoholism because of the horrible way he was treated by his fellow Americans year after year when he returned. My aunt was a surgical nurse in Viet Nam, and while I did not serve, she was a huge reason I became a registered nurse as well. Her nickname was Aunt Stoney because she became so hardened through her own ordeal, but she was a strong woman with convictions and beliefs that I hope to instill in my own children. I had a distant uncle with a military background who’s family named Uncle Slug because he took a bullet during a time of war too. He died when I was a child, but I remember the honor and respect of a military funeral that impressed me.
We have always had the utmost respect for the flag and would not use it to make a political statement. My grandfather flew his flag daily outside his home until the day he died. PopPaw rose at dawn to post the flag and when night fell, we took it down and carefully folded it with respect and honor. As an adult I still have fond memories of that and can still hear the clang of the metal fasteners against the flag pole when it was especially windy. When it became weathered and torn, we retired it with respect and burned it in a special ceremony as is supposed to be done when retiring a flag before introducing the new one. The ceremony always included the playing of taps, and always brought tears to PopPaw’s eyes. He taught us to show respect for a flag that so many of our own shed their blood for.
So matter how much you want to ridicule me, it will never make me believe that using the flag in a disrespectful way is ok. Believe me, I cannot stand obamacorn and pray for his impeachment daily, but I cannot justify using the flag in a matter that it was not intended to make that statement.
Peace
Anyone who thinks simply fly the flag upside down is offensive is a moron. It is the reason why that matters. In this case I say fly it upside down my veteran brother!
A note to political jules,
In the future don’t presume to speak for vets as to what we find offensive and you will avoid being mocked by them. What we really do find offensive are ignorant opinions about us and the flag and people that relate legitimate actions as akin to spitting on us.
Most of those that responded to you were veterans and you merely come off as upset that they did not agree with your stance. As for me and my brothers we will decide what offends us.
And spare us the feigned outrage.
Thanks.
Oohrah brother Ron!
If flying the flag upside down is offensive to vets then I have been offending myself since Jan 20!
Gee, I r glad some1 smerter than me told I how rong me waz!
In my squad every soldier got a nick based on some stupid thing he had done. Mine was “Pinny” because I threw a grenade at an enemy soldier before first pulling the pin. Good thing he had bad aim when he threw it back.
I could come upwith a couple doozies for someone in this discussion.
I’m going home tonight and turning my flag upside down on the pole.
The lesson to come away from this experience is never ever mess with a Marine who has in his possession a mailing list of over 20,000 fellow such persons.
Ron, you and you budies crashed the site yesterday rushing in here to give jules a piece of your minds
Well, I am not a vet but I do have to say doesn’t the fact that the man flying the flag upside down was a vet sort of really torpedo the claim that such actions are offensive to vets?
Ok I mean yeah if he was desecrating the flag by burning it or using to protest in favor of some discredited left wing talking point then fine, I would get why that would offend some. But not this.
Do I even want to get involved in this? Considering how many vets have already weighed in?
@tony
Probably not being a recovering liberal and all.
I did not pretend to speak for vets. I tried to explain my views come from some very fine vets that I am close to, but whatever. You are all hell bent in classifying me as an idiot just because I dont agree.
Personally, IN MY OWN OPINION, compared with the very fine vets and retired military that are my family and friends, you and your hatefulness against someone who obviously supports conservative values GIVES VETS A BAD NAME. With the way you act toward me, I have a hard time believing any of you were ever military. Especially since you all felt the need to emphasize your supposed military status in your hateful posts. My original post did not until your hateful attacks insisted I had no idea what a vet wanted. I hope and pray there are more respectful people out there that are military folks and that I never run into hate like this again. Makes me ashamed to even call myself a conservative with idiots like you.
GO TO HELL YOU LYING HATEFUL EVIL SORRY REPRESENTATIONS OF SUPPOSED MILITARY!
Yeah that was innappropriate and evil, but you push anyone into a corner and they will come out fighting. Your disrespect of the flag, our military and of people who don’t agree with you WILL GET YOU NOWHERE.
You are no better than the hateful progresso liberal terrorist that run our country today, and if I did not know any better I would say you were working for the other side. Great job alienating someone who used to have high regaurd for conservatives. I believe the liberals now when they say conservatism is dead. It is because idiots like you have driven them out.
Good riddance you idiots. May ALL your flags be confiscated, and given to real American’s just to tick you off. If that makes me a facist, then so be it.
No wonder the rest of the world hates us. We cannot treat our own flag with respect much less than our own people. I have to go throw up now, and wash the stench of your hatefulness out of my brain. I am sorry I gave this entire rediculous conversation this much time and energy.
And once again we see a so-called “conservative” self destruct when the truth becomes too much to handle.
And the insults by jules continue.
First rule of holes. When you’re in one, for the love of God stop digging!
The fact that the man flying the flag upside down was a vet as are many that have responded to her as well telling her to take a cold shower over the whole issue of the upside down flag seems to be over her head.
What a disgrace pj is.
I am thankful that most Americans are more thoughtful than that.
I honestly do not know what my father would have thought about the flag flying upside down as above. He was the vet of the family.
But what I do know is reading these responses it looks like vets don’t have much of an issue with it so why should I?
WHOOOP! WHOOOP!
Danger!
MELTDOWN!
It amazes me how worked up over these sorts of issues some who would wrap themselves in the flag become. Especially those that claim to be conservative! Of course as is often the case we see that many still have room to grow in understanding the full scope of the ideology.
The man was harming no one yet nebby do-gooders got offended and his rights were clearly violated. A true conservative would not be berating him and others who support him over such things but instead would proudly stand with him and against such obvious violations of his rights.
I think the overwhelming response from vets here show what people who fought for this country really think of the issue. If they aren’t offended then why should anyone else be?
Oh, I am sure some vets are offended like the yummy brain in charge of the village was. But my email on this report just from veterans is running easily 9:1 against the town and easily in favor of the vet flying his flag in this manner. I consider the issue of what flying the flag as this man has done and for the reasons he has done so quite settled based on that.
I think that this entire thread is evidence that just because someone feels a certain way doesn’t make that feeling valid.
Lots of Americans are flying their flags upside down. I am not one. However the last thing I want are brownshirts storming their property and taking them down.
Let’s agree to NOT defend that sort of tyranny!
One thing is for certain, this site is for hard core conservatives and the pool gets deep very quickly so you better know how to swim.
political jules on July 12th, 2009 10:34 am:
“It obviously did not bother that veteran to use it so cheaply, but many men and women died protecting that flag, and those that came home without their friends have a respect for the flag that most of us will never realize. Flying the flag upside down was meant to signify a time of distress and need for help in times of war and or conflict, NOT to make a political statement.
To do that spits in the eyes of any and all who defend her freedom today.”
So this man is now what? A self-hating vet? I suppose that would be possible. I was a self-hating Jew for many years.
“Someone made reference that I was someone who called Bush hitler?? Not sure where that comes from because I tried to point out that I am a staunch conservative with family values that the left so often attacks in this country.”
If you want to know why people here are mocking you and going after you, this probably sums it up right there because you did not read what was wrote instead choosing to go off on a meaningless rant!
Here is exactly what the poster said.
Cappy on July 12th, 2009 8:12 pm:
“Flying the flag upside down for distress like this is not like burning it or flying upside because you are an idiot and thought Bush was Hitler or some stupid thing.”
He (I assume it is a he) is pointing out that flying the flag upside down is legitimate in some instances but not in others. Example – if you are flying upside down in support of a lie that would be bad. I remember seeing pictures of nutty libs flying their flags upside down after the Iraq invasion and such to protest Bush. That was dumb and without merit.
I strongly suggest you calm down and get your brain in gear. Maybe even appologize perhaps? I think you owe some of the commenters here a huge I’m Sorry if you ask me.
“If some statement I made offened any of our military men and women, even just one, I would gladly fix the situation. We owe them so much more and disrespecting them should never be allowed.” – political jules
You’ve said a lot of things here that have offended many vets it looks like. I honestly don’t have time to read all of your ranting and ravings to see if you are a person of your word.
“First rule of holes. When you’re in one, for the love of God stop digging!” – Lt. Krammer
LOL I had forgotten that gem! I have got to remember that one from now on!
AWRE123 on July 13th, 2009 2:22 pm:
“WHOOOP! WHOOOP!
Danger!
MELTDOWN!”
Someone certainly does seem to need some medication.
Why on Earth would these cops do this? It is just unconceivable!
Gawd I hates a whiner!
I do so love those sanctimonious assholes who proclaim themselves the official keepers of the flag and if you do something that they don’t like then they go berzerk.
Contrary to what jules my believe in the little world she inhabits, it is her and not the vast majority of commenters here that is the problem with the conservative movment. She is not only ignorant but far more vile that others here who have flown off the handle at not having her opinions accepted.
She obviously cannot handle dissent and I question her conservative credentials. It is easy to claim something but proving those things is something else entirely.
I am in agreement with some others who have commented. Jules, you seriously need a chill pill if the comments that were posted before your second meandering comment upset you as much as they obviously did.
All you come off like is a pathetic person that cannot handle people with opinions that differ from yours. That is certainly not very conservative.
I personally think most of those responses were fairly respectful, but blunt too on certain issues you chose to approach. I too think you owe a round of apologies.
@ jip
Yes, vets can tend to be very blunt about what they think. And there was a heavy dose of bluntness being heaped out once she decided to start talking about the topics she did. If she thought she was going to get an echo chamber that would reinforce her opinions she was certainly disappointed.
Either she has taken her ball and gone home or she has decided to chillout and reflect. My vote is for the former.
We whacked a lot of the comments that were being posted because of their language and subject matter. There would be easily over 100 comments here if we wouldn’t have.
Needless to speak on the topic, but I think the issue is officially settled about jules opinions and where they rank with vets so let’s drop that line of conversation and get back to talking about the actual instance of the post please.
I am the Corporate Agent for Crivitz Cabin Resturant, the business that is the center of this problem with the Flag. I live next door to the Resturant and have been a part of everything that has happened.
For the US law covering the US Flag, enter FLAG CODE in your computer. You will find that ANYONE, ANYWHERE, and at ANYTIME, may fly the US Flag unside down if they belive that there is a danger to lives or property. No police agency or other government office may say a thing against
such activity or do anything to stop such activity.
Therefore, the government of the Village of Crivitz, Wisconsin, and the District Attorney of Marinette County, Wisconsin, were in violation of Constitutional Law and Federal lew by doing what they did.
There is voice recording of the District Attorney admitting he told the Crivitz to STEAL the Flag on 4 July 2009 and that he knew it was a violation of law to do so. Call or Email KL-TV Channel 11, Green Bay, Wisconsin for more information. Email the District Attorney, Marinette County, Wisconsin, to contact the DA himself. Email the “Village of Crivitz” to contact the Village President himself.
Steven J. Klein
Agent for VTC Tavern, LLC
(Crivitz Cabin Supper Club)
612 Main Avenue, Room 104
Crivitz, Wisconsin 54114