RSSMatthis Chiroux - Slap Him In Irons
J.J. Jackson* | May 19, 2008
I have no sympathy for people that live off the public largess and then refuse to do the job they were hired to and accepted money to do.
Matthis Chiroux is the kind of young American US military recruiters love.
“I was from a poor, white family from the south, and I did badly in school,” the now 24-year-old told AFP.“I was ‘filet mignon’ for recruiters. They started phoning me when I was in 10th grade,” or around 16 years old, he added.
Chiroux joined the US army straight out of high school nearly six years ago, and worked his way up from private to sergeant.
He served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines and was due to be deployed next month in Iraq.
On Thursday, he refused to go, saying he considers Iraq an illegal war.
“I stand before you today with the strength and clarity and resolve to declare to the military, my government and the world that this soldier will not be deploying to Iraq,” Chiroux said in the sun-filled rotunda of a congressional building in Washington.
Ever notice how the soldiers that are the dumbest (like John Kerry believes they all are?) are the liberal whiners? We’ve been through this whole argument already. I believe it is federalist #3 in which the concept of “Just War” is discussed. The causes of such are 1) ” violation of treaties” or 2) “direct violence”. Fact, Saddam Hussein used “direct violence” again Kuwait and also committed a “violation of treaties” when he failed to abide by the cease fire agreement at the end of the first Gulf War.
Please note that these are not my standards of “Just War”. These are the standards of war as laid out by the men who wrote the Constitution. I suggest he read it after he is slapped in irons, the key is thrown away and returns every solitary penny he has been paid by the United States taxpayers.
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I think he is in violation of the UCMJ, Article
92, Failure to obey, Article 117, Provoking speeches or gestures and Article 134, General Article.
I figured 117 due to the fact that if I have to go after I re-enlisted and he thinks he doesn’t, he may be provoking his own ass whipping.
Seems you like to post follow up to every story posted about this kid. Please get your facts straigh, you might have reenlisted but he never did, only did one term.
Ok there buddy, you might want to do a little more than just hurl accusations if you want to keep commenting here. And pick a proper user name.
The facts of the case seem pretty clear.
Is firing squad an option for this guy?
Sorry, Ann Coulter, et al., but if you actually knew Sgt. Chiroux, you would have some grounds to talk about him. You don’t know his story and you probably never will. People join the service for a variety of reasons. Regardless of his reasons for signing up, he served his term honorably, and was promoted to Sgt.
If you think this war is such a good idea, why don’t you stop blabbing and join up yourself? What, you’re too old? Send your kids!!! Do you go around and recruit your friends and family to fight? I didn’t think so… You chickenhawks are the real problem, not the men and women who are standing up for what is right.
p.s. MyMyMy - I hope that someday you are so lucky to receive the same level of justice that you wish for everyone else.
Well, since you want to play “you didn’t serve” card, I’ll respond. I served in Vietnam you little punk. So that qualifies me to respond to your vitriol. Call me a chickenhawk and you’re an idiot.
First, the facts are clear. Matthis Chiroux (doesn’t deserver the tag Mr.) has refused a direct order to serve in a perfectly constitutional war. The funny thing is that people like yourself never even approach that topic because it is well established that it is a false claim.
He should get a bullet to his head.
Now you want to say something to me punk?
I served in Operation Iraqi Freedom. So your tag of chickenhawk won’t apply to me.
Mr. Chiroux is an embarrassment who shirked his duty because he has opinions that are not supported by the facts in that his claim the Iraq war is unconstitutional is a bogus excuse.
MyMyMy has the right to her opinion because she pays his salary just as she paid mine. The military in the United States is civilian run and civilians have the right to comment on its matters.
We don’t live in a society where only members of the military get a say. You can live in Myanmar if you prefer that sort of society.
jb, kiss my Marine ass.
This kid is a disgrace and there are more than plenty of former and current members of our armed services who agree. So call Jeff, MyMyMy and anyone else that doesn’t agree with you a chickenhawk all you want. It won’t make you right.
People like jb must really be high on the KoolAid to think that sites like this are not frequented by members of the military and that they really are seen as great heroes among the members of our armed services.
The funny thing will be that all you guys and gals will respond and tell jb that he’s wrong, but he’ll still believe he is right.
I’ll add my name to the growing list of people that think Mr. Chiroux and his supporters that have showed up here should all take a long walk off a short carrier deck.
OOHRAH RON!
PM, they’re psychotic. You can’t help that they are mentally deficient. How dumb do you have to be to think that you can come around a site like this and not get some vets firing back?
These lightweights live in their own little worlds. They think people agree with them. They ignore that year after year people continue to sign up to serve and do so proudly. They are the same people to participated in and supported the Winter Soldier fiasco back during Vietnam.
People want to think they can sign up for the military and take their bonus, or their scholarship or their pay for only doing what they want to do and walk when given a lawful order that they disagree with either because of ignorance or politics.
Too, as someone else pointed out, they seem to think that because someone is simply in the military they are infallible - but only when they agree with them.
They’re a bunch of little Jack Murtha’s.
Damn right LP. I’ve just sent out an email to the thousands of veterans on my mailing list asking them to come here and tell us what they think.
What do you want to bet very few, if any, support this deserter?
Call me a chickenhawk to my face. They’ll never find your body.
Chiroux should be strung up.
P.S. Ron I got your email through Thom Thom. Apparently I’m not on your list for some odd reason.
Give me five minutes in a room with him. You’ll never have to worry about the turd again.
I served. I ain’t no “chickenhawk”.
Ron, I like proving these reprobates wrong as much as the next guy, but I don’t want this thread degenerating into a bunch of real heroes telling us all the ways they can make him disappear or what they would do to him if they found him.
I know that you guys and gals have strong opinions about people like Matthis Chiroux. And believe me I know they are valid and it runs deep when people like him or those that support him speak up. But I don’t really want this thread degenerating. You are just going to provoke them into responding back with more insanity and I don’t want a shouting match.
So for the time being, I’m locking it.
To all of you who served, God Bless you and know that we share your feelings about Matthis Chiroux.
My husband is busting his but in Iraq. He isn’t no chickenhawk and I sure don’t appreciate the insinuation by you jb that anyone for the war must be.
“If you think this war is such a good idea, why don’t you stop blabbing and join up yourself? What, you’re too old? Send your kids!!! Do you go around and recruit your friends and family to fight? I didn’t think so…”
Actually I did join to fight. I find your insinuations amazing. You through out so many turds of bullshit in your comments it is amazing.
We do not “send our kids” into the military in this country. It is not a dictatorship punk. People like myself willfully sign up to defend this country.
The real problem is with people like you, not the people on this site who support the mission I chose to support and am proud to support every damn day when I get up.
So stick a sock in your mouth and go live in Cuba or maybe Venezuela because by the looks of things and judging by your vitriol for people that are right that might be a better place for you to reside.
As someone that PAYS his salary I have every right in the world to want to hold him accountable when he doesn’t do what he signed up for and which I have paid him for.
As a veteran of 3 combat deployments to Iraq, as an infantryman and a sergeant, under primitive conditions for a total of 22 combined months, I must agree with Chiroux. I have been engaged in direct combat and witnessed my friends die for a war that the majority of the American populus does not agree with. Although I agree that he does not have a basis to accuse anyone of war crimes, he did his duty where his country required him to, being discharged under honorable conditions. People are so quick to criticize soldiers who oppose the war, either without serving themselves or being stationed on a large forward operating base with little to no threat of danger.
Furthermore, the vast majority of questionable actions by U.S. troops or war crimes go unreported, as troops who are loyal to each other do not usually publicly accuse their friends.
Being a soldier should not mean that you have to blindly follow the orders of old rich men with their own personal agendas at stake. I feel I did not serve my country as the war in Iraq has little if anything to do with the interests of the American populus.
Realize that I am not anti-war by any means, but I am against Operation Iraqi freedom, which was initiated by lied, deciet, and incomplete intelligence reports.
Not wanting to fight in an unjust war is not a sign of “being a pussy” as some would say, but a demonstration of one’s first amendment rights. Some think it’s just fine to take those away from soldiers. Just because the government tries to control what you think and believe should not dictate your own beliefs. Don’t become a puppet.
So much psychobabble!
The facts are the facts.
He still has time left on his contract.
The war is not “unjust” in fact it meets the two requirements for a “just” war - you may want to read up on those.
I also like how you insult my fellow soldiers (even though you claim to be one) by insinuating that there are “majority of questionable actions by U.S. troops or war crimes” that “go unreported”.
As to this comment? “People are so quick to criticize soldiers who oppose the war, either without serving themselves or being stationed on a large forward operating base with little to no threat of danger.”
I will say it again, the military in the United States is civilian controlled. Thank God for that. Civilians have every right to discuss soldiers actions because they pay their salaries.
Perhaps you missed all the comments from actual vets in this thread?
Go away. You’ve insulted me and most everyone that ever served with your drip.
For all intents and purposes did chris just say that those of us in the military are a bunch of baby killers, murders and rapists and that the only reason people don’t know more about it is because we cover up for each other?
I think he did.
“People are so quick to criticize soldiers who oppose the war, either without serving themselves or being stationed on a large forward operating base with little to no threat of danger.”
People like yourself are quick to use this excuse to denounce anyone that dares call someone like this guy what he is. But what happens when I come along as a veteran and also say Chiroux should be held to account? Doesn’t work so well then huh?
“he did his duty where his country required him to”
Actually no. He didn’t.
He served 5 years and was then placed into the IRR which is the Individual Ready Reserves to be called back if needed because he still had time left on his commitment.
He was then called back which, if you were in the military, would know is legal and within the bounds of his contract. He refused to deploy.
Slapping him in irons is too kind. He should be shot because by refusing to deploy he makes another soldier take his place. And there is nothing more dishonorable than placing another soldier in harms way for your own benefit.
If you are referring to this quote “Furthermore, the vast majority of questionable actions by U.S. troops or war crimes go unreported, as troops who are loyal to each other do not usually publicly accuse their friends.” I would say that your impressions are correct. My sons and I are very offended at this ignorance.
Anyone that has ever served know that the vast, vast vast majority of soldiers would turn in a fellow soldier they saw doing something wrong. I don’t know where this “chris” guy served, but it wasn’t in the military I or my sons serve in.
Sounds like someone has revived the John Kerry/Winter Soldier talking points about how evil American GIs are and thinks that they can get away with it.
I would be very cautious if I were you about disparaging people like Mr. Jackson for not having served in the enlisted military. One day, perhaps soon, the enlisted military may find themselves face to face with a much larger body of soldiers to which all Americans belong. It is called the militia.
And every citizen that keeps arms and is ready to fight when needed is worthy of praise and honor.
I, as someone who proudly served, salute Mr. Jackson for taking on people like Mr. Chiroux who give all of us grunts a bad name.
PinguMama (Sr. Moderator) on June 26th, 2008 7:39 am”
“Sounds like someone has revived the John Kerry/Winter Soldier talking points about how evil American GIs are and thinks that they can get away with it.”
Or John Murtha’s talking points when he shoots off his mouth about our soldiers being murderers without any evidence and last I heard refuses to apologize when shown to be wrong.
These kinds of claims by disgruntled soldiers (if they are even soldiers) are nothing new and never substantiated. Oohrahman is right - covering up war crimes is something I never saw done and have yet to meet a soldier (who was actually a soldier) claim to cover up.