RSSDon’t Pay Taxes? Get A “Rebate” Anyway!
J.J. Jackson* | January 27, 2008
This is just too typical of how liberals pander for votes with everyone else’s money.
WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic and Republican congressional leaders reached a tentative deal Thursday on tax rebates of $300 to $1,200 per family and business tax cuts to jolt the slumping economy.Congressional officials close to the negotiations said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio reached agreement in principle in a telephone call Thursday morning.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the two wanted key members of their parties to sign off on the accord before any announcement.
The accord came as the White House said Thursday an agreement was imminent.
Pelosi, D-Calif., agreed to drop increases in food stamp and unemployment benefits during a Wednesday meeting in exchange for gaining rebates of at least $300 for almost everyone earning a paycheck, including low-income earners who make too little to pay income taxes.
Families with children would receive an additional $300 per child, subject to an overall cap of perhaps $1,200, according to a senior House aide who outlined the deal on condition of anonymity in advance of formal adoption of the whole package. Rebates would go to people earning below a certain income cap, likely individuals earning $75,000 or less and couples with incomes of $150,000 or less.
Yet, if you are one of the people shouldering the weight of government’s bloated spending (ie. the rich) you receive nothing. I thought all Americans were equal before the law? Apparently not when you have liberals running the country. So people are simply more equal than others.
Who are they to tell people that pay taxes they shouldn’t also get some back? Who made them gods?
But instead you have people like Comrade Rangel of New York lobbying for handouts to those that didn’t pay very much:
Representative Charles B. Rangel of New York, the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, was said to be lobbying intensively for any payment to be sent to all low-income Americans, including those who did not pay any taxes last year. Some Republicans say benefits should be only for taxpayers.In a statement Mr. Rangel said, “We must follow the guidance of so many economists who have said, with great clarity, that this package must put money back into the hands of the middle- and lower-income families who will then spend it directly into our economy.”
Redistribution of wealth doesn’t work. It never has. In the long run all it does is make people that receive the handouts more dependent on government and look to the nanny state for assistance while discouraging those that actually have desire and drive. Read, for example about Governor William Bradford and the colony at Plymouth (’History of Plymouth Plantation’) if you dare to care about the truth. After all, why work hard when the government is just going to take your money and give it to the guy sitting around all day watching Oprah?
If you didn’t pay income taxes you can’t get a “rebate” on those taxes you didn’t pay. But that would just piss off all the socialists that vote for people like Charles Rangel every couple years. And Heaven forbid he actually stick to the Constitution and tell all the little children nipping at his heals “no”.
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“In the long run all it does is make people that receive the handouts more dependent on government and look to the nanny state for assistance while discouraging those that actually have desire and drive.”
I understand your frustration about not receiving your measly $300-$600 back from the government because you did pay taxes. However, do not assume that all of the people that are receiving the handouts are lazy degenerates that live on government assistance and spend their money on luxury items. I am a recent graduate of a prestigious university that has desire and drive but also has an enormous debt load due to school loans. I not only work in an office making $40,000 a year, a respectable amount for a first job, but also work on the weekends to supplement my income as much as possible. So while I am considered middle class, I have not ever and will not “sit around all day watching Oprah,” and neither will the majority of middle class people. I work 7 days a week to make ends meet and do not squander whatever is left on big screen TV’s, expensive clothing, eating out or drinking on weekends. Please do not generalize your statements towards the middle class, or even the lower class because we too have desire and drive, it just may take us a little longer to reach your status. And referring back to the rebate checks to the government, $300 dollars means virtually nothing to someone that makes $200,000 a year (or at least shouldn’t), but to me it means being able to buy groceries without wondering where I’m going to find money for gas.
Recent Graduate,
Don’t make assumptions. You might not like being proven wrong.
“I understand your frustration about not receiving your measly $300-$600 back from the government because you did pay taxes.”
According to the last conversation I had with Jeff, he would certainly be getting a rebate based on the current plan. I don’t know how you jumped to the conclusion that he would not.
“However, do not assume that all of the people that are receiving the handouts are lazy degenerates that live on government assistance and spend their money on luxury items.”
He didn’t. Reread what he wrote. Most of what he wrote circles around two points, one of which was that people that don’t pay income taxes should not get an income tax rebate.
“I am a recent graduate of a prestigious university that has desire and drive but also has an enormous debt load due to school loans.”
Uh, so does Jeff. I know because we’ve talked about it. So your point would be?
“I not only work in an office making $40,000 a year, a respectable amount for a first job, but also work on the weekends to supplement my income as much as possible. So while I am considered middle class, I have not ever and will not “sit around all day watching Oprah,” and neither will the majority of middle class people. I work 7 days a week to make ends meet and do not squander whatever is left on big screen TV’s, expensive clothing, eating out or drinking on weekends.”
Again, your point would be? What? Jeff works seven days a week working at his day job AND running his own business. Sorry, you’re not winning any arguments with that. I guarantee you that the 100+ hours he works each week would put you to shame.
As for your taking his Oprah comments out of context he never said everyone receiving a check was such. He was making a point, again, that if you didn’t pay income tax you shouldn’t get a rebate and why should those that didn’t pay income tax demand that others should pay for them?
He said: “After all, why work hard when the government is just going to take your money and give it to the guy sitting around all day watching Oprah?”
And then we get to this:”And referring back to the rebate checks to the government, $300 dollars means virtually nothing to someone that makes $200,000 a year (or at least shouldn’t), but to me it means being able to buy groceries without wondering where I’m going to find money for gas.”
Typical class warfare rhetoric. It doesn’t matter what you think it means to them. What matters is whether or not it is their money. If it is their money they deserve it back more than someone that didn’t pay any income taxes.
You might be a “recent graduate” but you didn’t seem to learn much except complain that others should pay the freight.
Excellent reply LP.
Sounds like someone needs to go back to school and this time take an economics course or two.
Thing is Jeff even supplied a good link to Bradford’s history of the Plymouth Plantation for you to read about how wealth redistribution doesn’t work. Maybe you should take some time out to read it since they obviously didn’t cover that in any history class you took.
Recent Grad,
You might not be sitting around and watching Oprah, but you are sitting around browsing the internet and commenting on blogs apparently.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.
And don’t try to make the case that you work hard working seven days a week and are therefore entitled. Lots of people here, including Mr. Jackson, do as well so excuse us if we don’t break out the violin and play it for you.
So Jeff makes a valid point that people who don’t pay taxes shouldn’t get a tax rebate and that EVERYONE that does should (which of course is the opposite of the proposal out there) and this guy is taking issue with that?
What’s next? Is he going to propose that businesses be forced to pay the homeless guy on the street even though they aren’t working for them? Oh - uh - we kind of already do that!
Wow man, go and demand your money back! You were robbed on your education!
FYI, I work three jobs but don’t live beyond my means so the income from the other two goes right into investments so I can actually retire BEFORE I’m 50.
Here is what amuses me about Recent Grad’s post.
He or she assumes that because the rich make more that the $300-$600 “means virtually nothing” to them. Yet he or she forgets that they have a higher standard of living and are probably paying more for the same things he or she has because they are higher end/quality.
Ya know, I only make about $40,000 a year too recent grad, but I certainly don’t have your same attitude of what is basically that the rich can afford it so let them pay everyone else’s way.
I guess we should tax the rich enough to provide everyone else with $1,000,000 a year income while we’re at it! They can afford it right? And the poor recent graduate needs all the help they can get right?
Soak the rich! They’re a minority so there aren’t enough of them to fight back. Until they flee the country and there is no one left to pay for this populist, socialist crap.
PinguMama (Sr. Moderator) on January 28th, 2008 12:14 pm:
“Recent Grad,
You might not be sitting around and watching Oprah, but you are sitting around browsing the internet and commenting on blogs apparently.
Six of one, half dozen of the other.”
Ouch. Someone just got served!
This entire plan as it stands (and as it will no doubt be modified) is a Marxist’s wet dream. The “rich” pay the taxes and the “poor” get “free” money.
Gag me.
RonniesRayGun (moderator) on January 28th, 2008 6:18 pm
“This entire plan as it stands (and as it will no doubt be modified) is a Marxist’s wet dream. The “rich” pay the taxes and the “poor” get “free” money.”
Wait until the add more money for food stamps
Ya know “Recent Grad” I don’t think you can tell me, as someone that right now is on the upper end of the proposed rebate scale and will not be included as it currently sits, that a couple hundred dollars “means virtually nothing” to me or my family.
How dare you be so arrogant as to assume that it doesn’t mean much to me. I could do a lot of good with that money and fix up things around the home that need done and pay someone to do it and keep some poor sole employed another couple days.
You know nothing about me. And you arrogance which is shared by too many people who haven’t lived long in the real world is going to doom this country. Get some real world experience beyond being a recent graduate, get up to where I am and then tell me that my money doesn’t matter than much to me or my family.
Well, looks like you’ve done a bang up job finding lots of new friends here Recent Graduate!