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J.J. Jackson* | December 5, 2007
SAN MARCOS, Texas (AP) - Mike Guzman and thousands of other students say the best way to prevent campus bloodshed is more guns.Guzman, an economics major at Texas State University-San Marcos, is among 8,000 students nationwide who have joined the nonpartisan Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, arguing that students and faculty already licensed to carry concealed weapons should be allowed to pack heat along with their textbooks.“It’s the basic right of self defense,” said Guzman, a 23-year-old former Marine. “Here on campus, we don’t have that right, that right of self defense.”
Every state but Illinois and Wisconsin allows residents some form of concealed handgun carrying rights, with 36 states issuing permits to most everyone who meets licensing criteria. The precise standards vary from state to state, but most require an applicant to be at least 21 and to complete formal instruction on use of force.
Its a fact that liberals don’t like. But armed citizens stop criminals. Often by killing them.
Private universities have the right to set the rules they wish on their own private property, but any university or college that is federally, state or locally operated or that accepts federal money (unconstitutionally) must abide by the same laws as the federal government as a defacto arm of the government. In other words, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed!
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I have a serious problems if you advocating guns for everyone like a wild west place. Look what happened yesterday at the mall..An idioit with a gun shot all those people and he had a right to bear arms..Do youa realize that criminals are not killed by everyday citizens, but everyday citizens are going to get killed by people with road rage, a bad day at work, a family member who gets pissed at his brother or father, a friend who owes money and gets asked for it and it escalates..Do you want to walk around campus or town with thousands of people stable and unstable and you know not which these days packing with a short fuze who may be trying to get soeone else and shoot you by mistake or one of your family members. Do you honestly think that guns solve all the problems and heavens knows I am not against guns, but to walk around with them all day in and out of the public and them doing same is scarey..When i returned from Vietnam i use to carry a pistol on me until one day i was walking past a neighbors garage and a small child popped out playing and yelled bang bang and i almost shot this child. This bothered me so much that i turned around went back home and cried and then got rid of my weapon. I never told my wife about this incident. I understand the anguish about criminals and people with serious attitude problems, but to arm everybody is not the answer. If we allow this to happen then we are setting ourselves up for a huge slaughter house, even more so than now. By the way, this is not a liberal versus conservative issue and stop making it one..Do you know what the political affiliation of those people killed yesterday was? WHO CARES..they are dead and that is a tragedy. BTW I am not a liberal so don’t go there…
Jim, you sir are an idiot and yes, you are a liberal. Only liberals suggest that people should not be allowed to be properly armed to defend themselves as you have: “I have a serious problems if you advocating guns for everyone like a wild west place.” Your statement flies in the face of the constitution which guarantees such a right.
The answer to mass murders like the idiot at the mall yesterday is obviously more citizens carrying guns to defend themselves. This is easily proven by simple mathematics.
If no one but criminals carry guns, when they enter into the mall and start shooting the carnage will continue until either 1) they run out of ammo or 2) take their own life.
Assume the average gun carries 10 bullets. That is 9 dead civies and one dead shooter.
Now, if just 20% of Americans were responsible citizens and carried arms (which they are constitutionally allowed to do) that means one in 5 of the people the shooter targets is armed and can shoot back. If the shooter targets 9 people then that means one is armed and there is a good chance the shooter is stopped before he kills 9 people. Whether he is stopped before killing more than one or after 8 is a factor of probability.
How do you increase the chance of stopping the shooter after firing just one shot? Simple. More armed citizens increases that chance.
Your “Wild West” arguments are old hat. No one is suggesting that people just go around shooting at each other but rather only defend themselves when their lives or the lives of others are in danger. That is a God given right.
So you can claim to not be a liberal but your words and your inability to write in paragraphs betray you.
I didn’t dodge bullets in Vietnam to have dolts like you talk about things you have no idea about and to perpetrate myths and lies.
RonniesRayGun on December 6th, 2007 11:10 am:
“Now, if just 20% of Americans were responsible citizens and carried arms”
Unfortunately few people that live in this country are responsible citizens. Jim is a prime example of those that are unresponsible and worse, are excuse makers. They don’t believe in the ability of Americans to handle their own affairs and are fearful of liberty and will find any way in the world they can get away with to justify taking away your rights.
Preach on brother Marine! Semper Fi!
Nothing is more despicable than using a tragedy which results from a criminal to push such unAmerican bull shit as you have done Jim.
Shame on you.
Math doesn’t lie. Review Ron’s post and embrace it. And while you’re at it get some of the books Jeff recommends in the post above and actually learn about guns before speaking next time.
Jim claims to have served in Vietnam and then recounts this incident: “When i returned from Vietnam i use to carry a pistol on me until one day i was walking past a neighbors garage and a small child popped out playing and yelled bang bang and i almost shot this child. This bothered me so much that i turned around went back home and cried and then got rid of my weapon. I never told my wife about this incident.”
So because you freaked out that is a reason not to arm citizens and rail against their second amendment right?
As a vet myself I am inclined to feel sorry for you. Not because of your experiences after the war, but because you obviously didn’t believe in the oath you took to defend this country, her people and their rights. That’s why I feel sorry for you.
Just because you can’t handle carrying a gun is absolutely no excuse to suggest that others should not be allowed to do so.
In all my years of service and with all the vets I have known, some of whom suffer from PTSD, I have known some that have decided to never again carry a gun.
But NEVER in all my years have I ever met a vet that could suggest with a straight face that the American citizens should not be armed to defend their life and liberty. Jim would be the first and God willing the last I will ever have the displeasure of hearing annunciate such tripe.
Seek help Jim. Just because you are not ready willing and able to carry does not mean other citizens should not be. I am ashamed as a member of our armed services that anyone that ever served this county would think as you do.
That anyone [I'm talking to you Jim] would speak out against Americans seeking simply to be allowed to partake in the constitutional rights says more about that person than any self-statement about not being a liberal could ever say.
Actions speak louder than words Jim. And your actions betray your words.
“But armed citizens stop criminals. Often by killing them.”
WRONG!
Most criminals are stopped by merely brandishing.
But you all are making pro 2nd amendmenters look bad with your ad hominem attacks.
You don’t need to EVER speak about the arguer, only the argument. Whatever JIM MACKEY said, your response should never need to describe him.
It makes your argument sound weak. Grow up!
Dear Shootemup,
How do you say “hypocrite” in your language?
You say in one breath “You don’t need to EVER speak about the arguer, only the argument. Whatever JIM MACKEY said, your response should never need to describe him.”
Yet you do that about everyone here that took Jim to task when you implied that we needed to “grow up”.
Boy oh boy, must be nice to do exactly what you admonish others for doing eh?
Second of all please note that it was Jim that “described” himself. He broached that topic of discussion by adimantly claiming to not be a liberal. He opened the Pandora’s Box, not us. Everyone else is pointing out how odd it would be for a conservative to be so anti-self defense.
Also please note you said that Jeff was wrong by saying ““But armed citizens stop criminals. Often by killing them.””
Your reasoning is saying “Most criminals are stopped by merely brandishing.”
The problem is that “most” and “often” are two completely different words with two different meanings. “Most” implies that it happens more that not (greater than 50%). “Often” is a relative term which means frequently or “many times”. So your point is what? Jeff never said that “But armed citizens stop criminals. Mostly by killing them.”
So maybe you should learn to read and I dare suggest that it is you that should “grow up”. If you can’t deal with the facts then get out of this kitchen because you are quite frankly pathetic in you attempt to defend someone that wants to make arguments against our liberties. And to us, that is a very personal thing. So it will get very personal when you go there.
Wow shootemup, talk about a meaningless rant that adds nothing to the facts of the matter which are that Jim made the argument that American citizens should not be armed and have their second amendment rights and that others here pointed out how foolish that is.
If you can’t say something intelligent or relevant, I suggest not speaking. You’ll be better off if you just keep quiet and learn by reading.
I agree with Ron whole heartedly. You are a hypocrite of the highest degree. Do as I say - not as I do, right?
Way to piss off the angry Marine shootemup.
You’ve been reading your book on how to win friends and influence people apparently.
Criticism of Jim’s nonsense is justified.
Discussing him and his apparent positions isn’t mean spirited or anything of the sort. He posted here. He opened his mouth. No one force him to and everything said in response especially by several of our vets and active duty members made the point strongly and forcibly.
You need a tougher skin around here if this sort of stuff upsets you. One thing is for certain our members who have served in the military pull no punches especially as the conversations turn to a discussion of our inalienable rights.
The first thing the Marine said was \”Jim, you sir are an idiot \”.
A Marine should have more class.
Ronnie was arguing with Jim, there\’s was no need for the ad hominem attack. I was admonishing, not arguing with anyone, so how exactly am I being hypocritical?
A tough skin has nothing to do with it. Having served in the Military has nothing to do with it. Ad hominem attacks are always a fallacy.
Take my advice, stop with the ad hominem, it makes you look cheap and your argument look weak.
Shootemup on December 6th, 2007 4:41 pm:
“A Marine should have more class.”
Now you are accusing me of being low class? Boy, for someone so against “ad ad hominem” attacks you certainly don’t shy away from hurling them yourself. Somehow it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t see your own hypocrisy.
Take my advice, if you have nothing to ad to the topic, go away. You haven’t earned any right around here to admonish me when my response made valid points concerning Jim’s poorly constructed comment and last ditch effort to try and head off any accurate portrayal of his thoughts.
If you are offended that I call someone and idiot when their comments clearly indicate that the level of thought put into them was on par with someone of limited intellect then you are in for a world of mental anguish around here.
The fact that you are more concerned with how I chose to respond to Jim than with what Jim proposed tells me a lot about you.
shootemup, a word of advice.
I suggest backing out the door the way you came in. Ron’s got you dead to rights and your own ad hominem attacks on him are clear as a bell.
Ron made a judgment about the quality of Jim’s intellect based on his opening comment. Such a judgment is indeed valid as Ron provided a simple example to show how wrong he was.
But if you want to dig your own grave, be my guest. I’m sure we can expect more hypocrisy in your next comment.
A word of warming shootemup.
You are off topic. Off topic posting is not allowed and neither is thread hijacking.
The topic of this post is guns, the second amendment,gun control, etc. It IS NOT what you think about the way in which another commenter should have or should not have responded.
Please either discuss the topic or vacate the thread.
I think anyone that can even suggest that people should not be allowed to carry arms to defend themselves should have their head examined.
When guns are outlawed … only the outlaws will have guns. Then God help us all. We saw it at VT and now in Omaha. How long until people wake up?
Jim, face it, you screwed the pooch.
Shootemup, you have a very unusual habit of typing
a backslash before an apostrophe or quotation
marks. It reminds me of ‘Huh?’ who commented on
the first post. Are you using two identities?
“Shootemup, you have a very unusual habit of typing
a backslash before an apostrophe or quotation
marks. It reminds me of ‘Huh?’ who commented on
the first post. Are you using two identities?”
Already caught it and already banned his IPs of which he was also using multiple plus using a different email each time.
Just a reminder, posting under multiple names is not allowed.