Impeach Kucinich NOW!

J.J. Jackson* | April 19, 2007 

Dennis “Cuckoo Bird” Kucinich is out to do what legislators do best; violate the Constititon.

(Cleveland) - Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich wants to ban hand guns in America.

Kucinich is currently drafting legislation that would ban the purchase, sale, transfer or possession of hand guns by civilians. A gun buy-back provision will be included in the bill.

Kucinich announced this move in the aftermath of Monday’s deadly shooting at Virginia Tech.

Newsflash to Comrade Kucinich, the second amendment cannot be changed by statute! It clearly says “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”!

For even suggesting that you somehow have the power to infringe on the right of the people to have arms even when the Constitution clearly says otherwise is a high crime against the Constitution and an impeachable offense. But it is just the latest impeachable offense for you isn’t it? I doubt you even go a single day without committing a high crime against the constitution what with all the spending that falls outside of the purview of the powers in Article I and all.

I’ll make a deal with you Dennis. Be a man and try and come take my gun yourself. Don’t send an agency of force; YOU come and YOU collect it. I’ll be happy to give it to you … but you gotta get past the spray of bullets first.

The fact that people vote for this criminal who violates his constitutional duties and powers is pathetic.

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48 Responses to “Impeach Kucinich NOW!”

  1. Aish Wary Blogs » Impeach Kucinich NOW! on April 19th, 2007 5:09 pm

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  2. David Bright on April 19th, 2007 5:31 pm

    Read the entire second Amendment in context and you get “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    The second amendment isn’t about hunting, it isn’t about well meaning individuals — or emotionally disturbed people — being allowed to carry handguns. It’s about the forerunners of the national guard, the militia, who may be called away from civilian jobs to defend their country, and thus must have arms at the ready to perform that act of DEFENSE. (”Provide for the common defense,” is the way the U.S. Constitution puts it.)
    One can argue about whether it’s a good idea or not to let individuals who are not members of a well-regulated militia have handguns, but that’s a different discussion than changing the the second amendment. The Kucinich bill would not infringe on that amendment.

  3. J.J. Jackson on April 19th, 2007 5:43 pm

    David, I’m sure you really believe that crap your just spouted but it is YOU that has to not only read the second amendment but also the exact words of those that wrote it which completely contradict your ludicrous assertion in pursuit of God only knows what goal.

    I’m sure that none of these quotes will change your mind as you have apparently put much thought into how to justify your poorly conceived position. But I will give them anyway:”The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers

    “If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair.” - Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers

    “That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms … ” - Samuel Adams

    “[The Constitution preserves] the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.” - James Madison, The Federalist Papers

    “Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms” - Richard Henry Lee

    “No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” - Thomas Jefferson

    “What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty …. Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins.” - Rep. Elbridge Gerry

    “The great object is, that every man be armed … Every one who is able may have a gun.” - Patrick Henry

    “The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.” - Zacharia Johnson

    “And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress … to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms…. ” - Samuel Adams

    I could go on if you like? But I think that it is better that you sit down, shut up and you might learn something.

  4. PinguMama on April 19th, 2007 5:48 pm

    David “Bright”? Not likely!

    Now many times do you little gun grabbers have to be confronted with actual words before you will just give up trying to confiscate the arms of the people to try and impose tyranny?

  5. TriggerMama on April 19th, 2007 5:58 pm

    Can I do an impression?

    “Hello, my name is David and I’m a liberal who can’t read or understand simple English. DERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!”

    Come on now David. A simple search of this site should have told you that you weren’t going to get away with that claim. So why did you say it? Or did you think that you could just make that statement without anyone being able to confront you? You ain’t that smart buddy!

  6. RonniesRayGun on April 19th, 2007 6:03 pm

    David, I have a serious question. Have you ever read something other that a DNC talking point memo?

    No. SERIOUSLY! Because there are volumes written about how your theory is incorrect filled with even more quotes from the founders like Jeff provided. One of them is even linked to here that you could buy and educate yourself. You can read can’t you?

  7. Lt. Krammer on April 19th, 2007 6:18 pm

    I’ll say this, when the left wing loons come out of the woodwork they come out in packs!

  8. Norderline on April 19th, 2007 8:35 pm

    PEPLE ARE DEAD AT VIRGINIA TECH BECAUSE OF THE RIGHT WING AND THEIR GUNS! YOU ARE ALL INSANE! THE PEOPLE CANNOT BE TRUSTED WITH GUNS AND KUCINICH MUST B ELECTED PRESIEDNT TO SAVE UP!

    ALL YOU RIGHT WINGERS WOULD DIQ@

  9. Sgt. Shammy on April 19th, 2007 8:50 pm

    Wow Norderline. What a rant.

    Ever think that if someone had a gun they might have been able to stop this lunatic? No. I’m sure you didn’t. You don’t seem like the sort that thinks.

    So you don’t like America. So you don’t like freedom. So you don’t like the thought of taking respsonsibility for yourself. What else is new for the left?

  10. Lt. Krammer on April 20th, 2007 6:14 am

    Amazing how they clam up when actual quotes are used to deface their claims huh?

    Ok, now I’ve taunted Mr. Bright. Let’s see if he comes back and makes a bigger fool of himself now.

  11. chuck on April 20th, 2007 2:14 pm

    In the movie, “The Matrix” Morpheus offers Neo two pills - should he take the red or blue pill? The blue pill will allow him to live in ignorance, which is ‘bliss’. If he takes the red pill he will see the truth. JJ, you obviously took the blue pill a long time ago.

  12. Lt. Krammer on April 20th, 2007 5:20 pm

    No pay attention class because Chuck is your typical liberal. Chuck can’t refute any thing that has been said and the fact that acutal quotes have been given that shatter his world view and his own ignorance really gives him fits.

    So what does he do? He makes a claim. Provides no evidence to counter the facts. And finally he slinks back to his cave where he is the one that continues to live in ignorance.

  13. Red Tornado on April 20th, 2007 7:47 pm

    Mr. Bright, you are actually trying to argue that when the founders said “the people” they actually meant “the militia” (i.e. the states) even thought they had used that word when they actually meant it previously but not the second time? So if your theory is correct the 2A would have been written as “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the states to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    But it’s not.

    You will note that if you pick up the writings of the founding fathers you will see that they made it clear when they were talking about the government of the United States, the government of the individual states and the people.

    I still to this day have not found a publication or book that actually successfully documents this argument of yours and is not easily refuted by taking actual quotes in context. If you have one. I’d love to hear it because you certainly haven’t made the case.

    And what can I say about chuck except that it seems he has forgotten to take his pill today.

  14. J.J. Jackson on April 20th, 2007 8:09 pm

    I’ll add James Madison’s original wording which, as you can see has the same basic meaning but is a probably more clearly readable to help understand the founders intended “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; a well armed and well regulated militia being the best security of a free country; but no person religiously scrupulous of bearing arms shall be compelled to render military service in person.”

    In fact, it has only been in the modern era of liberal encroachment upon the rights of the citizens that the “right to keep and bear arms” has not been considered a right held by the people as individuals. People like Mr. Bright have a propensity to stop their review of opinions and judicial renderings at a point that is convenient for their argument and I suspect this is the case yet again.

  15. RonniesRayGun on April 20th, 2007 8:14 pm

    “Propencity” – your $10 word for the day folks!

  16. Lt. Krammer on April 20th, 2007 9:08 pm

    “People like Mr. Bright have a propensity to stop their review of opinions and judicial renderings at a point that is convenient for their argument and I suspect this is the case yet again.”
    Aint it the truth!

    For example I came across these excerpts from the Dread Scott case in 1856: “It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognised as citizens in any one State of the Union . . .the full liberty . . .to keep and carry arms wherever they went.”

    And

    “It would give to persons of the negro race, who were recognized as citizens in any one State of the Union, the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, singly or in companies, without pass or passport, and without obstruction, to sojourn there as long as they pleased, to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law for which a white man would be punished; and it would give them the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.”

    St. George Tucker in the early 1800’s wrote: “In America we may reasonably hope that the people will never cease to regard the right of keeping and bearing arms as the surest pledge of their liberty,” in his series of law books which were standard for any lawyer of the time.

  17. RonniesRayGun on April 20th, 2007 9:41 pm

    It just keeps looking dimmer and dimmer for Mr. “Bright” and his side kick chuck. Wonder if they are paid Kucinich staffers?

  18. J.J. Jackson on April 21st, 2007 7:53 am

    “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” – Delaware

    “The right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed” – Florida

    “The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State.” – Indiana

    “The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security” – Kansas

    “All men are, by nature, free and equal, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights, among which [is] The right to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the State” - Kentucky

    “That every citizen has a right to bear arms in defense of himself and the state.” – Alabama

    “The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the State shall not be impaired” – Arizona

    “The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question” – Colorado

    “Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.” – Michigan

    “The right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question” – Mississippi

    “That the right of every citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or when lawfully summoned in aid of the civil power, shall not be questioned” – Missouri

    “The right of any person to keep or bear arms in defense of his own home, person, and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall not be called in question” – Montana

    “All persons are by nature free and independent, and have certain inherent and inalienable rights; among these are life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, and the right to keep and bear arms for security or defense of self, family, home, and others, and for lawful common defense, hunting, recreational use, and all other lawful purposes” – Nebraska

    “Every citizen has the right to keep and bear arms for security and defense, for lawful hunting and recreational use and for other lawful purposes.” – Nevada

    “All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.” – New Hampshire

    “No law shall abridge the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms for security and defense” – New Mexico

    “All individuals are by nature equally free and independent and have certain inalienable rights, among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; acquiring, possessing and protecting property and reputation; pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness; and to keep and bear arms for the defense of their person, family, property, and the state, and for lawful hunting, recreational, and other lawful purposes, which shall not be infringed.” – North Dakota

    “The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security” – Ohio

    “The right of a citizen to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person, or property, or in aid of the civil power, when thereunto legally summoned, shall never be prohibited” – Oklahoma

    “The people shall have the right to bear arms for the defence of themselves” – Oregon

    “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned” – Pennsylvania

    “The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” – Rhode Island

    “The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the state shall not be denied.” – South Dakota

    “That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense” – Tennessee

    “Every citizen shall have the right to keep and bear arms in the lawful defense of himself” – Texas

    “The individual right of the people to keep and bear arms for security and defense of self, family, others, property, or the state, as well as for other lawful purposes shall not be infringed” – Utah

    “That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves” –Vermont

    “The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired”- Washington

    “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state” – West Virginia

    “The people have the right to keep and bear arms for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose” – Wisconsin

    “The right of citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied.” – Wyoming

    It would seem odd that a “state” would sign onto a document which revoked rights which they gave their own citizens. Quite the conundrum for the gun grabbers.

  19. PinguMama on April 21st, 2007 2:11 pm

    Guys, you can quote the founders and other sources all you want. People like Dave and Chuck will never conceed!

  20. Natureboy on April 25th, 2007 10:27 am

    What you miss about the ‘right to bear arms’ is that certain arms are not included. Do you have the right to buy stinger missiles, grenade launchers, or other combat weapons? NO! So why do you need to have semiautomatic handguns, hollow points and AK-47s?

    I’ll tell you why– because you are bunch of hippocritical, warmongering, murderous toothless rednecks who crave to play with toys– well it’s your society that pays the price for your games- you freak!

  21. RonniesRayGun on April 25th, 2007 2:32 pm

    Yes, and another liberal makes another pathetic attempt at arguing. Your claim that there are certain “arms” that are not included is based on your inncorrect hypothesis that the second amendment gives Congress (and the states) the power to restrict “arms” even though the amendment strictly says that the right to bear “arms” shall not be infringed. Please note that the term “arms” has always been nebulous and never applied to jsut a limited set of weapons. It’s all a very convoluted liberal thought process that no means something other than no.

    I’m sure you and your socialist masters really would like to believe that what you said is true. But it isn’t. If it were then one of the two reasons the 2nd Amendment was added which is to allow the citizens to rise up against oppressive government (read the founders if you doubt this) would be menalingless since it is hard to fight back against jets and tanks with pistols and rifles. Ok so the founders didn’t have those things, but they DID have heavily armored warships which were the later day equivalent.

    Now, if you have some evidence to the contrary that is based in fact (quotes from the founders and not court rulings by modern day liberals for example) let’s hear them.

    But thank you for sharing your “feelings” and thank you for showing the world that when you cannot make a point you resort to unfounded name calling.

  22. Natureboy on April 25th, 2007 5:16 pm

    Raygun,

    I do not claim to be an expert on military ordinance, or which horrible hardware is allowed to be owned and operated by the public and which not.

    But suffice to say, if it could be easily bought at the local gun shop, every sociopathic street-gang would have them.

    But rather than deride my observation with patronizing ostentation, why don’t you incriminate yourself right here and now and explain your ‘legal right’ for owning those grenade-launchers you have stored in your fanatical right-wing bunker you’ve dug there into some toothless holler of Deliverance there in Oklahoma (or wherever)?

    Military weaponry and the laws governing it are not a matter of fascination for me, but clearly it is for you. (There were always those weirdos, military toy-worshipers left over from the 50’s; loners who built models of military hardware alone at night in the basement, in the dark, high on model-glue fantasies of power and glory no doubt…)

    I have one word for you and your Ilk: KLIEBOLD. Another word: SOCIOPATH.

    Clearly your expertise and interest is in weapons of war, to the point that you probably masturbate to a howitzer in your pathetic militaristic isolationist KKK fantasies.

    Apparently you genuinely crave to own one of these heavily armored ‘battleships’ to play with in your paranoid war-fantasy games. How about a few big berthas to go with it, or some depleted uranium rounds to fire at fantasies, or why not a few nerve-agent-tipped missiles to boot?

    There have always been hideous weapons, from even before they got the idea to hurl plague-ridden bodies over castle walls (your favorite delicacy, no doubt– bet ya wish you had some of those with which to fend off your ‘criminal government’, which you’re not fighting but SUPPORTING!).

    Yes, I feel free to call you names, because greater brains than mine have nailed your neurons as useless and murderous. Einstein would say you’re not worth your spinal marrow (Ever seen human spinal marrow, soldier?)

    Now run along and go sniff some glue, try not to blow up any frogs while you’re at it. But keep your violent fanatical hysteria away from civilization–

    Weapons of war have no place in society, in fact neither does warfare nor combat.

    But if you ever felt there was a government more threatening to your freedoms, and more in need of violent overthrow, by all means, haul out your arsenal which you’ve been hoarding in your cold-war era bunker, and go do your ‘oklahoma city’ thing– now’s the time! (Of course you’ll be cleanly disposed of by your favorite fools on the hill before you get the chance).

    You’re not likely to get a worse batch of gangsters and thieves in government as you have managed by your own theft and fraud to elect.

    (And BTW I’m no communist, I am a President and CEO, and am furious that my massively hard-earned tax dollars, as well as those of my staff are being squandered on mass murder complicitely perpetuated in the name of NOT WMD’s but PROFIT)

  23. RonnieRayGun on April 25th, 2007 6:17 pm

    “why don’t you incriminate yourself right here and now and explain your ‘legal right’ for owning those grenade-launchers”

    I’ll say this simply so that even someone of your limited intellect can understand it. In fact I’ll jsut quote the Constitution:

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Now I understand that for a socialist like yourself that is the damn scariest thing in the world; an armed populace but get over it.

    Like I challenged you before, cite anything from the people that wrote that language to back up what you said. You didn’t which further proves the point.

    As for the rest of your incesent babbling in order to try and distract attention away from your own inability to present evidence, it speaks for itself. It takes a person of really limited intellect to say so much without saying anything.

  24. TonyTMan on April 25th, 2007 6:22 pm

    I’ll reiterate that it is people like Natureboy here that reaffirm my decision to rethink my beliefs in socialism. Because the ideology which I have spent so much time defending here is infested by mental migits like Natureboy.

    You claim to be a CEO of a company but to be honest with you I haven’t seen enough intelligence out of you to warrant such a claim. I can only pitty your employees and stockholders if true because every time you ask them to prove what you say, apparently you just rant and rave incoherently. FYI, being CEO of Natureboy Inc. doesn’t really prove much.

  25. PinguMama on April 25th, 2007 6:39 pm

    Hold on, it’s time for a translation here from liberal gun grabber psychobabble to English:

    Natureboy says “RAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHR!”

    Hey Natureboy are you actually going to provide facts to back up your opinions? Or is this how you run your company too? You just blab on and on and on and on when asked to justify your possition.

    Please tell us what company you run so we all know not to invest in it.

  26. Natureboy on April 25th, 2007 6:41 pm

    Raygun, your own babble is blatantly devoid of facts–

    If you and your wacko (or should I say Waco) militia believe you are justified in owning those stinger missiles you want us to believe you have stored in your glue-sniffing dreams, why don’t you explain why you had to buy them on the black market instead at the local bait-shop??

    Surely others have proposed your daft and distorted representation of the term ‘arms’ and have presented same in courts of law (which motions you clearly do not have or you would have posted them, despite your hippocritical references to ‘facts’).

    Instead of babbling, why don’t you quote the resulting law, and the reasons why we can’t all have a few bunker-busters with which to blow seperatists like you toothless, neonazi appalachian rednecks out of your miserable hide-outs?

    I’ll tell you why, because you either are not in posession of these ‘facts’ legally allowing military hardware which you rant about the right to own (and use as you personally see fit), or you are hippocritically refusing to display said facts here, preferring only to alude to bizarre seperatist militant fanatical interpretive imaginings of laws on books that don’t exist.

    If your such a literalist, why don’t you stick to ‘arms’, as in those flabby apendages which you use to burn crosses (and cultists) with? Go into battle with the constitution’s ‘arms’ and see how far you get (and don’t forget the coolaid, mr. Jones!).

    Mr. T-bone, you’re just daft– suggest you just do your daily ‘heil hitler’ and keep quiet. Trying to denegrate others with malicious dismissals when you really have nothing intelligent to impart is just idiocy.

    To you I say, go see your cousins in Deliverance again, or better yet do us all a favor and get ‘ruby ridged’ so persons of normal intelligence are free to properly usurp the air you waste.

    Taa taa you right-wing, seperatist, militant, violent, misguided wacked-out Wacos!

    Some conservatives– bet ya never even looked up the word.

  27. Erik L Mann on April 25th, 2007 6:46 pm

    I haven’t seen so much foaming at the mouth and ducking of a question since the last time Al Sharpton was asked a question.

    I agree with the previous poster. Please let us know what company you are CEO of so that we all know to avoid it like the plague.

  28. RonniesRayGun on April 25th, 2007 6:47 pm

    Yet another post by Natureboy without any actual facts to back him up.

  29. Lt. Krammer on April 25th, 2007 6:51 pm

    Natureboy has apparently escaped from the insane asylum and forgot his medication.

    He asks for law to be quoted yet law has already been quoted. The Constituition is the “Supreme Law of the Land” as it clearly states in itself. If you would had ever read it you might have known that.

    Oh … I know what he means. He means he wants the opinion of a liberal judge to be cited when they rewrote the meaning of the Constitution without going through the proper method of amending said Constitution. Silly me!

    Of course there is an easy counter to that. Because a judge or a court cannot amend the constitution that way so it is null and void.

  30. TonyTMan on April 25th, 2007 6:53 pm

    I say again, that Natureboy continues to make me certain that I made the right choice in reevaluating my beliefs in socialism. Thanks for convincing me that I was wrong yet again.

  31. J.J. Jackson on April 25th, 2007 6:55 pm

    Hey natureboy, I hate to break this too you but being a President or CEO of a company doesn’t make one not a communist. I’ll be frank with you; I have never met a true free-market capitalist who is pro-gun control.

    But since you think that your status as a “President” of a company qualifies you to be listened to, I am also the President of a company. So now that we have cancelled that argument out, how about backing up what you say.

    You can do that right?

    Plase note that the second amendment does not the right to keep and bear arms EXCEPT those that the government says you cannot have.

    It’s amazing how easy it is to sucker Kucinich supporting moonbats into posting.

  32. IMPEACHTHECUCKOO on April 25th, 2007 7:13 pm

    YES! Someone finally had the courage to say it! Kucinich needs to be impeached. I have been living under his insanity in Ohio for far too long!

    IMPEACH KUCINICH!

  33. Sgt. Shammy on April 25th, 2007 7:21 pm

    Natureboy, I dare say that it is you that doesn’t know what a conservative is. I didn’t bleed for this country to listen you little bastards like you act like asses when asked direct questions you can’t answer.

    So take your goose-stepping unconstitutional ideas that you are trying to hide with smoke and mirrors and go join your fellow neo-nazis at a KKK rally.

  34. RonniesRayGun on April 25th, 2007 8:04 pm

    Shammy,

    Natureboy is like the Viet-Cong I fought back in Vietnam. They pretend to be on one side but their actions betray them. Only good thing was I could shoot those damn commie bastards.

  35. Amy Lund on April 25th, 2007 8:06 pm

    I guess Natureboy missed all those quotes that Jackson and others provided. Must be nice to be a moonbat and ignore the truth

  36. RedTornado on April 25th, 2007 8:10 pm

    I do so love how in Natureboy’s demented little mind, anyone that seeks to own arms for the reasons the founding fathers gave us the 2nd amendment must be a redneck with a hidden arsenal somewhere. Anything to avoid addressing not only the law of the land but also numerous evidence that contradicts him I suppose.

    If Natureboy could have laid off the ad homs for about 10 minutes maybe he could have made a point.

  37. J.J. Jackson on April 25th, 2007 8:24 pm

    Folks, listen, if Natureboy’s “idea” (I guess we can call it such) was to be taken seriously then the government could come out tomorrow and ban everything except pea shooters because in Natureboy’s lefty mind the government has the right to determine which arms are and are not legal.

    The facts are however that the Constitution is clear and Natureboy is just a troll. The Constititon says that the people can keep and bear arms and only criminals can be stripped of their rights such as this (2nd and 14th Amendments respectively).

    It is imporant to note that the founding fathers used the term “arms” to refer to all weapons available as noted by when Noah Webster included swords in his disertation about “arms”

    “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive.” -Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    Tenche Coxe also used the term interchangably with other weapons available: “Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.” -Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    Zacharia Johnson also uses the term “arms” and “weapons” interchangably: “[T]he people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them.”

    Also, Thomas Cooley said of the second Amendment that “The Right is General. — It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been elsewhere explained, consists of those persons who, under the law, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon.”

  38. ForthRightly on April 25th, 2007 8:41 pm

    Everyone take good notes. These are the type of people that support Dennis Kucinich and other extreme lefties in our government.

    Eh, probably just some pimply 10 year old who got his daddy’s account and failed American history anyway.

  39. RedTornado on April 25th, 2007 9:10 pm

    Just remember that Samuel Adams said “Among the natural rights of the colonists are these: first, a right to life, secondly to liberty, thirdly to property; together with the right to defend them in the best manner they can.”

    Got that? In the “best manner they can”. Not in the best manner as determined by bureaucrats.

  40. Duddley on April 25th, 2007 9:15 pm

    Red,

    Problem with the left is that plain language is never plain to them. And for the record, yes I think Natureboy is a lefty despite his protests to the contrary. Never seen a righy as screwed up and unable to answer questions as him.

  41. BrutheaBlud on April 26th, 2007 5:59 am

    I gotta hand it to you guys. You can certainly cite the founding fathers and handle these left wingers that are speaking in tongues it seems. I wonder if Natureboy spits up pea green soup when he talks?

  42. Watchman on April 26th, 2007 7:13 pm

    The amount of verbal diarrhea from the anti-gun nuts in this thread is massive.

  43. ringoman on May 18th, 2007 7:58 am

    Impeach Kucninch….? what about Bush!? the incompetence, corruption and arrogance is breathtaking in this administraton…we all thought it was pretty embarassing that Clinton lied under oath, but at least no one died…yet he gets impeached….! We did not know what were in for….here comes the Bush Administration, through continual arrogance, incompetence and neglect has caused the death of literally thousands upon thousands of innocent people (Iraq, Katrina, etc) - let alone the nearly complete diiscrediting of our nation’s reputation around the world….( Wolfowitz really helps!) and not even a hint of a call to reckoning, let alone impeachment! The US is incredibly vulnerable to it enemies now….When is congress going to do their job and begin proceedings…we cant take another 20 months of this administration…the damage could be irreversible if they don’t act now!

  44. RonniesRayGun on May 18th, 2007 11:33 am

    Yet further evidence that liberals don’t care about prosecuting actual crimes against the constitution but only crimes that they have immagined and are usually based in their own dillusions.

  45. Sgt. Shammy on May 18th, 2007 5:25 pm

    Hey, that’s about all you can expect from the rabid left Ron. And it’s not like you can take anyone who can’t complete a thought but only connect fragments with “…”s seriously anyway.

    And FYI to our newest moonbat, you think no one died when Clinton lied? You’d better look into the reason those dots weren’t connected up to 9/11. But I doubt you have the mental capability to do that.

  46. PinguMama on May 18th, 2007 6:12 pm

    It’s sad that some people are only able to regurgitate what they have been told to instead of actually reading all the evidence that has already been presented about Kucinich’s violation of the Constitution.

  47. Red Tornado on May 18th, 2007 7:13 pm

    PinguMama, thought takes too much effort for some people.

  48. Oohrahman on May 18th, 2007 8:17 pm

    Please remember the “Katrina” rants are unfounded because there is NOTHING in the constitution that grants Congress (or the President for that matter) the power to respond to natural disasters. Anyone that has read the Constitution would know that since it is not in there the responsible parties are the people and the states.

    Talking points are not the way to win arguments. Facts however are.

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