RSSIllegal Aliens Waging ‘Silent War’ on US, Says Minuteman Activist
Carolyn Hileman* | January 20, 2007
(CNSNews.com) - The U.S. is engaged in “a silent war” conducted by illegal aliens that is causing a higher toll than the war in Iraq, according to the founder of an immigration watchdog group.While the mainstream media is focused on the Iraq war, this ongoing silent war is “taking its toll in lives and domestic tranquility,” said Jim Gilchrist, founder of the Minuteman Project.
“Since 9/11 alone, about 45,000 U.S. residents have been killed in action via homicide or manslaughter at the hands of illegal aliens, and about another quarter of a million to 300,000 have been wounded,” Gilchrist told Cybercast News Service in an interview.
Gilchrist said he used the terms “killed in action” and “wounded” intentionally “because essentially, we have a war going on here that’s not a declared war, that’s not a conventional war, but it is costing us 9,000 lives a year.”
That amounted to “about 15 times the rate of KIAs [soldiers killed in action] in Iraq,” he said.
Gilchrist said the financial cost was also significant.
Welfare benefit programs used strictly by the illegal immigration population were costing “$400 billion a year - that’s four times the annual cost of the war in Iraq,” he argued.
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In this post you attack illegal immigrants for consuming “$400 billion a year” in welfare benefit programs. The US budget for 2006 (available from the White House website) lists total pay outs of TANF funds - welfare - as only $17 million (with an M, not a B.) Even assuming illegal immigrants consumed every penny of that, where is the additional $399,983,000,000.00 per year in consumption coming from?!
A respectful dissenter,
-Jack Larkin
What do you mean “you”? I don’t know, maybe English is your second language but there was not “you” in this post. It was taken from CNS (as you can see by the designated source).
So first of all, your comments are off base.
Second I notice how you only deal with one type of “Welfare” benefit. There are litterally thousands of “Welfare” programs from direct payout to people not making a certain amount of money, to child care credits, to food stamps, to free medical insurance, etc.
Also, there is more to the cost of something than the price that is paid. There is a difference between price and cost that perhaps you do not understand.
So if you can be honest about what was said, which I don’t think you can considering these two gross misrepresentations, you can try again.
PM:
“There are litterally thousands of “Welfare” programs from direct payout to people not making a certain amount of money, to child care credits, to food stamps, to free medical insurance, etc.”
As he would have known IF he would have followed the link Carolyn provided to the rest of the article. Simple internet and reading skills would have lead him to the next paragraph: “Those funds were being spent on “a plethora of related welfare and benefit-type programs, including medication, education, housing, HUD subsidies, Social Security, all that stuff,” Gilchrist said.”
and also
“He said that figure did not include another half-trillion dollars lost each year “due to payroll and income tax fraud from the underground economy created by having 30 million illegal aliens in the United States.”
and lastly:
“On the costs to the U.S. economy of illegal immigration, the CIS estimates federal costs per year at only $10.6 billion but notes that the vast majority of costs are incurred at the local and state levels.”
PM:”Also, there is more to the cost of something than the price that is paid. There is a difference between price and cost that perhaps you do not understand.”
This is saddly something that most people do not understand. Which is why socialism/communism is so rampant in American society.
Sure the government can madate the “price” of something of X, but if the cost of that something is 2X it will not be there for the government to mandate the price of.
Many of these comments are factually false, or misrepresentations of government programs. Public Schooling and Social Security, for instance, or not welfare, nor are they welfare style programs. They are services that are provided by the government in exchange for taxes. Some illegal immigrants pay taxes. Many don’t. Many American citizens live below the tax level as well. Singling out illegal immigrants as the target of animosity for their use of public schools is as illogical as targeting black citizens - the group is both overinclusive and underinclusive.
Moreover, as I discuss in my own post on welfare (SITE ADVERTISEMENTS NOT ALLOWED), many welfare programs are wildly beneficial to our economy. The theory is one of prevention instead of cure. Making sure young mothers can feed their children prevents costly hospital visits and keeping diabetics in insulin does the same. Making sure healthy food is available at prices that the poor can afford prevents heart disease and type II diabetes. The list goes on and on.
Ultimately, we are faced with a choice: feed and clothe the poor, or let them die from cold, die from illness or starve. The latter choice seems remarkably unchristian, which I find strange coming from such a right wing blogosphere.
Yet another person trying to redefine the term “welfare” to mean what he wants it to in order to justify a possition.
Sorry Jack, but you better start looking around at all the “welfare” and unconstitional federal and liberty infringing state spending that goes on and deal with it.
I love how you start out with an attempt to turn this around by calling the post an “attack illegal immigrants”. That’s like saying that discussing the impact of theft from breaking and entering is “attacking undocumented housegests”.
LP, never underestimate how far the left will stretch words to suit their Big Lie.
Jack’s another one of those communists who is attempting to use the Bible to justify communism. Seems we’ve had a lot of them lately who ignore the fact that the Bible talks about voluntary charity and not forced redistribution of wealth at the point of a gun.
But then again when you are a communist who can find no justification for your beliefs in the federal or state constitution of this nation I suppose that you have to make something up.
Jack, listen, the members of this blog spend more time helping the poor, donating their time and money to causes than you will probably ever know. And we do it all without government mandates. So just go back to your little hole and continue to justify yourself as a good Christian while breaking at least one of the ten commandments blatantly and on purpose (i.e thou shall not steal) and while helping others violate a second (i.e. thou shall not covet). As for the rest of us, I dare say each and every one of the regular members here are quite comfortable with ourselves when it comes time to stand for judgment to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
There is no false information being given here. Just people that are too blinded by their own ideology to see the truth.
I’m Agnostic and quite frankly nothing twists me off more than when Christians (at least I think he is a Christian either that or he is just trying to use Christianity as a tool for his own needs) like Jack try to justify forcing the method in which my money is spent on charity. I’d much rather prefer that the left wing, big government types keep their hands out of my pocket and off my religious beliefs.
Is it just me or is basically what he is talking only about one step away from establishing a Christian church as the national church by justifying government confiscation of wealth upon these principles? If you don’t believe in Christian charity you’ll be forced to?
Shawnzee, well I’m an Atheist and I have the exact same fears as you do about people like Jack when they start justifying government welfare based on Christianity or any religion in a country where we are supposed to be free from having a national church thrust upon us. I’m definitely very conservative and just wish the government would stay out of my life and let me donate my money to charity (which I do thank you very much) as I see fit.
I’m a strong opponent to government mandated Christian charity as well. I don’t think that you can call me agnostic but I am definitely non-denominational Judeo-Christian in nature. I am a firm believer in if a man shall not work, he shall not eat … seems I read that somewhere in the Bible …
The idea of government being the method by which Christian charity should be distributed seems to be making a resurgence among the left. Every couple years there seems to be a big push by them to use this sort of argument to validate their big government beliefs using religion. But in the end all they are saying is that the 10 commandments (i.e. thou shall not steal or even covet that which belongs to another) do not apply IF enough people agree they should not (i.e. by creating a government bureaucracy). It’s the whole “rights” stem from people and government and not God mentality just the same.
Like PinguMama said, I too am confident in my own ability to stand before God and be judged on my own good deeds and not those that others have forced me to partake in. And I further believe that God is just and looks with a discerning eye upon those that claim to be Christian but blatantly act against his commandments when they come before Him.
I generally find that it is those that are not secure in their own deeds that are those who want to expand these programs and first covet and then steal that which belongs to others.
Just me or did Jack change his tact from debating the actual value of all the social programs (which he did not want to admit to) which illegal aliens suck out of us to an argument about who was more Christian?
Well, I guess that is just par for the course. When you can’t stay on target, get as far off target as possible.
Hey, I’m with you Christoball! I’m an Atheist and people like this bug the crap out of me!
Amazingly to the left I agree with conservatives almost 100% … true conservatives that is. I mean heck, I can admit that the country was founded by Christians (mostly) and that they believed in God, but they great thing is that they also gave me the right not to believe. I’d like to keep it that way by not having some self-righteous Christian dictating to me that I should donate money to the nations coffers to be used for their religious beliefs on Charity!
That’s why I like commentary here because Mr. Jackson, Carolyn and the other people who post here really GET IT!
Oh God, not another one … PLEASE! STOP! You’re doing more harm to the socialist movement and people like me that believe in it than you are anything else!
Jack, please note that this site stands on its own. Relating it to what you believe to be true about other sites which you wish to lump it together with is not relevant. Blanket assertions about commentary which I and the other authors have not written and is not cited and/or quoted is not tolerated as a means to furthering your opinion. Nor is attempting to assign the opinions of others to myself or other authors tolerated.